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Steptoe
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:40 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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I think there needs to be more communication and input from all the nuke sites out there with the sentinel and other fixes. They should all collaberate and work on getting a release out that's super secure. Start back from 6.x or 5.x and then work up again and see what was secure, and what wasn't.


What u think right on the nail

Your Idea this plus more is what has happened within the Raven Team, and includes the top specialst nuke coders. These guys are not ppl who just learn a bit of php, they are professional ppl, with yrs of Imternational experiance, including multi million dollar Gov projects ...This professionalism has neen taken a few steps further than what is usual with open source code, They have taken onboard non coders,ppl who understand end user, visitor friendly, SEO, marketiing. aspecs AND actually are listening, taking on board what they have to say.

Beta testing is huge, on a scale up there with top software companies.

As the amount of recoding required from orginal FB is required to fix, new concepts introduced, varied end user requirements for nuke, aready future releases beyond the current being worked on , are already mapped out.

The SAD PART...due to copyright law FB still gets credit, the amount of work, hrs, changes, concepts, FIXES...in reality and in simple fairness, FBs name should not be there at all anymore. Sometimes the law is and A55.

The above is NOT an opinion, it is an obsevation by someone reletivly indepenant, who has been given the privledge, to be able to watch from the sidelines 'like a fly on the wall' the RN team come together, follow ideas, devalopement from a very early stage.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Evaders99 wrote:
Easier said than done. There have been many talks on where to procede. But few can agree on where to go - each person has their own goal.

I believe most people have gone over to ravenphpscripts.com - probably the best project that will stay long term and develop into a truly great project.


Well, I think a sensible base system is easy enough. By default we have the core system, and we include some basic modules like the forums, an image gallery, a chat system, and the usual downloads / links

Just the same as the current system. On top of that - they can just have a vote system to work on additional modules. maybe have a few teams for gamers / multimedia and so forth.

I think there is more than enough brain out there - just going to take a bit or organisation to get it all together

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:05 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Is that not what I described?

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This professionalism has neen taken a few steps further than what is usual with open source code, They have taken onboard non coders,ppl who understand end user, visitor friendly, SEO, marketiing. aspecs AND actually are listening, taking on board what they have to say.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sorry - I had started to write that before your reply but then sent it ages later as I'm trying to fix my site!

This raven nuke looks like a good bit of kit. Just have to modify the 300 trillion little snippets of code that made nuke mine and not the defaut setup!

Wish me luck

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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Just have to modify the 300 trillion little snippets of code that made nuke mine and not the defaut setup

OK u are an end user right?
u found there where things that where good ideas to a coder but not particularly end user friendly...

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They have taken onboard non coders,ppl who understand end user, visitor friendly, SEO,


There is already a few of these done...and heap more in the pipeline
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:17 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

People can trash talk me and call me a noob all they want that's fine. In your response to me being stupid because I said I shouldn't ahve to be a security expert and whoever wrote this...
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You DO on the other hand, have to be able to read directions, keep up with the latest and greatest patches, and either be willing to do this yourself or hire someone else to do it.


I've TRIED! Except everytime I've tried upgrading nuke I've run into problems. Problems that I've posted on these message boards and have never been able to resolve. General answers are, must be you setup or windows configuration. Problems I've run into when upgrading such as not being able to post news or surveys anymore, users not being able to login, admins not being able to login. Blank screens when creating admin accounts, and thus, not being able to create admin accounts.

Now, sure I'm pretty damn mad, and irrational blaming this site in general when I know its mainly a supporter site. But when I wrote that every release has had the same exploits that allow people to delete all your stories, forums, surveys, turn off yoru blocks, delete your messages etc... well, maybe not every version BUT everytime my site has been compromised it has been by these very same exploits (actually, one other time, the only damage was some how they overwrote my index.php and linked to their website). So sure, go ahead and try to reword it to make me sound like I dont know what I'm talkin about. But the fact still remains, these/this exploits have been around/reinvented probably every few versions. I've been using nuke since around 6.0 or somewhere around there and I believe my site has been hacked by these types of exploits 3 or 4 times and yes its my fault for not always having a fresh backup, but I dont believe its my fault for not being able to upgrade due to upgrade problems that I could not get help for.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Calm down guys.. no need to flame anyone.

phpNuke does take some effort to upgrade, esp after you've made your own customizations and such. There won't be a good solution for everyone, it isn't as simple as in an automated upgrader

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:00 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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The SAD PART...due to copyright law FB still gets credit, the amount of work, hrs, changes, concepts, FIXES...in reality and in simple fairness, FBs name should not be there at all anymore. Sometimes the law is and A55.
Steps.


Couldnt have put it better myself. Now heres why you can delete his (C):

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html

specifically the use of the word "Content"

Now, the licence means that in order to be compatable, you must adhere to the rules set out.

FB uses content quite alot. "phpnuke is a CONTENT management system" the module "Content" are some examples. this use means phpnuke is not compatable with the licence and so any reference to it being licenced under the GNU gpl is invalid. So as this is the only licence FB uses, he is actually making public, unlicenced, uncopyrighted and unrestricted code.

Therefore, I suggest everyone delete his (C) from there footers, delete it from the files and save a ton of server space.

This will actually help the community as the links to phpnuke.ARGGGGG will drop overnight, his rankings will drop and less noobs will be conned into buying his crap packages.

Anyone who develops or runs phpnuke can do what the hell they like really. FB, you truely are witless!

Before anyone says anything, this isnt the only loophole ive found.
May I point you in the direction of the .gif images included in the downloads?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:19 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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Calm down guys.. no need to flame anyone.


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People can trash talk me and call me a noob all they want that's fine. In your response to me being stupid because I said I shouldn't ahve to be a security expert and whoever wrote this...


I would like to piont out that at no time have any such statements or flame as described above have been made.

Just because a person cannot read a post correctly as written, gets the wromg end of the stick, then interprets it as a personal attack that they are stupid, doesnt make ot a "flame"

Everyone drops a clanger, once in a while, that doesnt make them "stupid"

We even could take
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Calm down guys.. no need to flame anyone.
by the Admin and put in the same catorgory. lol
So Evader has several logical choices
1/ jump up and down..not something he has a habit of doing
2/Delete this post.
3/ See that it has a point, and treat it as such,see the funny side. After all he is not perfect...like myself. Both of us when we walk on water we still get the bottoms of our jeans wet lol
Smile..life is too short to do otherwise guys. lol
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hey, don't get me wrong - any code of this size is going to be hard work for unpaid people to manage. I think phpNuke is a pretty good system and I have tried a few CMS out there. I just put raven 7.6 on my site and the upgrade was almost perfect. Most of my old 7.4 stuff works, and many of the modifications are still fine.

I have a lot of errors to iron out still, and some modules / blocks don't work - but it's going well.

I suggest the ranenscript for anyone out here wanting something good!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:57 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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In your response to me being stupid because I said I shouldn't ahve to be a security expert and whoever wrote this...


Whoa! I never said you were stupid for writing that

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Now, sure I'm pretty damn mad, and irrational blaming this site in general when I know its mainly a supporter site.


This is exactly what I thought was happening.

Sorry if it came across that way, and I apologize if I offended your sensibilities. I have shared EXACTLY the same frustration(s) over nuke in the past.

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I've TRIED! Except everytime I've tried upgrading nuke I've run into problems. Problems that I've posted on these message boards and have never been able to resolve.


The answer here - try again. I know it sounds irritating, but nuke IS irritating. Its also a heck of a lot of fun once you get further into it. I have not been able to rely on answers on boards 100% of the time.

In fact, I became an "Expert" by answering everyone else's posts only AFTER I had beat my head against the wall and figured out the problem(s). I laughed when I was invited to be an admin in the community after two weeks of using Nuke. Why? Because I had answered over 500+ posts simply by searching the forums, running across an answer, or figuring it out on my own because I had the same problem and posting it.

Its not hard, its time consuming, its frustrating - its finding a line of code in a module where someone mistakenly typed a "_" instead of a "-". You get used to it.

Don't give up, and certainly don't think that I am flaming you because you are frustrated with nuke...

I don't assume any one to be stupid. I wait for them to tell me that first, then I go with it. In your case, you do not in the least bit appear to be stupid. You appear to be an upstanding member in a community of frustrated individuals who are extremely massichistic for even playing around with Nuke.

Shameless plug - (http://www.nukehaven.net) Nukehaven.net (my site) offers some admin tools which can very much assist people who suffer admin related headaches. These are tools that I have written that assist me and make troubleshooting just that much easier. Requires a premium membership ($2.00 per 6 months) as I have locked it down to serious nukers only. (Its amazing how 2 bucks will cause script kiddies to move on to other sites..)

Again, sorry if I ruffled your feathers, I just get tired of people expecting any one of the nuke cops (or all) to take on something that is not within our jursidiction so to say.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:24 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hehe while GNU may not like the use of the word "content" - the "Content Management System" is used to label so much software that it would be unlikely to be changed.

It is not truly a CMS anymore. Rather it is a Portal software, which FB has changed in later versions to say "Web Portal System" rather than "Advanced Content Management System"

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