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PHP-Nuke: Support for PHP-Nuke 6.6
Nuke CopsHi Nukers.

As FB has decided to release PHP-Nuke 6.6 only to club members, and in doing so is technically in breach of the GNU/GPL licence, NukeCops cannot and will not provide any support for it.

More follows.....

The reasons we've had to say this are as follows:

1. Most of us here don't have a current club membership and therefore don't have access to the PHP-Nuke 6.6 distribution.

2. We don't provide support for any software that isn't distributed or being used legally - this includes Restriction of Distribution under the GNU/GPL to paying customers only, and removal of copyright information.

3. Every Nuke Elite on this site has slugged their guts out for Nuke 6.5 and got little or no recognician from FB about it except when we've made it very public that we're the ones doing the hard work.

4. FB has made changes and fixes to this sub-release that he's not informed us about, meaning that those people who can't afford to join the Club don't get the same fixes they're entitled to under the GNU/GPL

Any comments appreciated, but please, bare in mind there are legal, personal and principal reasons behind us not supporting FB's latest release as I've just outlined.

Only releases made to the public will be supported by us. This is a policy that will hold for future releases too.

AI
Posted on Saturday, May 24 @ 17:21:00 CEST by ArtificialIntel
 
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Re: Support for PHP-Nuke 6.6 (Score: 1)
by Brujo on Saturday, May 24 @ 17:38:23 CEST
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I totally agree with you, and i am glad for your clear position and actual opinion.

cause i like the service and well done job of you guys.

with best regards
Brujo



Re: Support for PHP-Nuke 6.6 (Score: 1)
by jimmyjimjim on Saturday, May 24 @ 17:49:07 CEST
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Good on you! Stick to your guns... I fear that FB has set the tone for a new fork war. The next 6 months are going to very intersting... :-)



Re: Support for PHP-Nuke 6.6 (Score: 1)
by snarfies3 on Saturday, May 24 @ 18:48:02 CEST
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I am truely perplexed. Would you be so kind as to point out the exact clause or clauses of the GPL that are being violated? Because as near as I can see, none are. In fact, it states verbatim in the GPL preamble, "Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for this service if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs; and that you know you can do these things."

In other words, you can charge for GPL software. FB says he's going to give it our for free in 30 days, but he isn't even obligated to do THAT if he doesn't want. I hope he does, but he doesn't have to. There are Linux distros that aren't avaialble for free, either (Xandros springs to mind).



Re: Support for PHP-Nuke 6.6 (Score: 1)
by SteveO on Saturday, May 24 @ 21:26:29 CEST
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Now I feel stupid. I liked PHP Nuke 6.5 with the exception of all the bugs and basically lack of mods, so much I paid the $10.00 just to get 6.6 for one month. I can not and will not pay $10.00 a month for something that may or may not be updated monthly, in fact, I wouldn't pay $10.00 a month for something that was. That's $120.00 a year, (wiping egg off face). Although I'm still waiting to get my membership stuff so I can get it, I sure hope it's soon, I'm just curious as to how many bugs are in 6.6.

I guess I stepped over to the danger side, when I paid the $10, especially since it may be harder to find mods and blocks, due to the lack of people paying $10.00 to get 6.6. Oh well, I'll just loose $10.00 this month. And most likely may even drop php nuke all together.



Re: Support for PHP-Nuke 6.6 (Score: 1)
by Klaus on Sunday, May 25 @ 04:25:47 CEST
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Just a little on-topic(!) quiz with 2 questions:

Q1: Version 6.5 is named PHP-Nuke-6.5.tar.gz. Version 6.6 will be named?

Q2: When you hear on MTV a tune you like why do you rush for a pencil and a piece of paper and stare at the TV till the end of the video clip?

So, why all the fuzz? LOL. Have fun.



Re: Support for PHP-Nuke 6.6 (Score: 1)
by Namsul on Sunday, May 25 @ 06:02:16 CEST
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Bravo NukeCops.
I totally agree with your support & re-iterate that people who can't afford nuke will miss out on the latest release even after loyal support in the past. People raise the point of linux distros that are paid for. You pay for the packaging & manuals or possible support. And like linux distros, the unfortunate result of what happens with the club, "People respond with their feet" they walk away & find a product more to their liking.



Re: Support for PHP-Nuke 6.6 (Score: 1)
by joho-noho on Sunday, May 25 @ 12:56:08 CEST
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I know that you guys are releasing your own version of 6.5, but have you acctually considered making your own nuke, with better support and a larger team? I think it would be great to have a nuke "distro" from you guys. If you do make your own nuke, run your site like phpwebsite does and not like phpnuke does.



Re: Support for PHP-Nuke 6.6 (Score: 1)
by RikMerle on Sunday, May 25 @ 17:14:23 CEST
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Just buy it and continue supporting, why should FB handle you guys different then all others ? he has said thank you in his 6.5 release......



Re: Support for PHP-Nuke 6.6 (Score: 1)
by snarfies3 on Sunday, May 25 @ 23:15:39 CEST
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So, no further response, guys? I take it then that you cannot point to the clause of the GPL being violated because none of them are. You have proven yourselves to be grade-A whiners who owe FB an apology.



Re: Support for PHP-Nuke 6.6 (Score: 1)
by beebar on Monday, May 26 @ 18:15:04 CEST
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Security Fixes should not be charged for! Even Microsoft patches their holes for free... Who cares about the new feature, what about the security concerns that have been fixed and not released? That is the true crime, hell if he wants to charge for it, I can't argue. But if you release something GPL then you should patch it the same way.



Re: Support for PHP-Nuke 6.6 (Score: 1)
by dmolavi on Monday, May 26 @ 14:27:33 CEST
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dudes, why'd you delete my comment re: availability of 6.6? by making this download available, i am ensuring FB's compliance with the GPL (ie, he can charge for the initial download, but can't stop people from freely redistributing it).



Re: Support for PHP-Nuke 6.6 (Score: 1)
by chris-au on Saturday, May 31 @ 00:00:23 CEST
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Here below is a little story I found:

Digital rights management sounds unobjectionable on paper: Consumers
purchase certain rights to use creative works and are prevented from
violating those rights. Who could balk at that except the pirates? Fair is
fair, right? Well, no.
In reality, our legal system usually leaves us wiggle room. What's fair in
one case won't be in another - and only human judgment can discern the
difference. As we write the rules of use into software and hardware, we
are also rewriting the rules we live by as a society, without anyone first
bothering to ask if that's OK.
The problem starts with the fact that digital content can be copied -
perfectly - from one machine to another. This has led the recording and
movie industries to push for digital rights management schemes. Buy a
one-time right to play the latest hit song or movie, and DRM could prevent
you from playing it twice.
Of course, to exercise such exquisite control over content, DRM requires
deep changes to all parts of the equation - the hardware, the operating
system, and the content itself. Sure enough, some in Congress recently
pushed the FCC to add a "broadcast flag" to content which digital hardware
would be required to honor. DRM is barreling down the pike.

Joshua Ellingson


The usual criticism is that the scheme gives too much power to copyright
holders. But there's a deeper problem: Perfect enforcement of rules is by
its nature unfair. For contrast, consider how imperfectly rules are
applied in the real world.
If your lease stipulates that you can't paint without explicit permission
from your landlord, you will nevertheless patch up the scratches made by
your yappy little dog on the bottom of the front door. If the high-priced
industry analyst's report warns you on every page against duplicating,
you'll still hand out at your weekly sales meeting copies of a page with a
relevant chart. You'd snicker at the very suggestion of doing otherwise.
But why? The analyst report is stamped 'DO NOT PHOTOCOPY', and the bit in
your lease about not painting really couldn't be any clearer. We chuckle
because we all understand that before the law there's leeway - the true
bedrock of human relationships. Sure, we rely on rules to decide the hard
cases, but the rest of the time we cut one another a whole lot of slack.
We have to. That's the only way we humans can manage to share a world.
Otherwise, we'd be at one another's throats all the time - or, more
exactly, our lawyers would be at each other's throats.
Yet we're on the verge of instituting digital rights management. What do
computers do best? Obey rules. What do they do worst? Allow latitude. Why?
Because computers don't know when to look the other way.
We're screwed. Not because we MP3 cowboys and cowgirls will not have to
pay for content we've been "stealing." No, we're screwed because we're
undercutting the basis of our shared intellectual and creative lives. For
us to talk, argue, try out ideas, tear down and build up thoughts,
assimilate and appropriate concepts - heck, just to be together in public
- we have to grant all sorts of leeway. That's how ideas breed, how
cultures get built. If any public space needs plenty of light, air, and
room to play, it's the marketplace of ideas.
There are times when rules need to be imposed within that marketplace,
whether they

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