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edogs
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

phikapjames wrote:
I have to agree that I usually leave the copyright information on my pages. The exeptions to this is that I tend to remove version numbers from being displayed. This is more of a security issue as googling for those version numbers when someone knows a security vulnerability. That's how most hackers find the sites before the site owners have time to fix the hole.

Security issues can't be real reason. Hacker usually don't waste their time to look at version number, they just try to hack it.

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The point here that as soon as php-nuke are INTERACTIVELY program, you MUST display ANNOUNCEMENT including APPROPRIATE copyright notice. In this case APPROPRIATE are defined by author.
So removing or even changing copyrights of php-nuke are ILLEGAL.

The problem with that is that it can be interpreted in different ways.

Nope. It can't. Only NATURAL creator able to decide if his copyrights stay APPROPRIATE, so if you don't have permission of creator of script, you don't know if your version of copyright are APPROPRIATE.

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Another grey area is the interpretation of "reads interactively when run".

We skip the rest, because you are wrong in this point.
Interactively reads input means only one thing. It means that user could press something and programm will react.
Even if you compile it with zend or something like this, no matters, while script could react to actions of user.

The thing we don't understand, guys, creators of script ask only for one thing - to leave copyrights, how rude you should be to use the author's work and kick of his small ask?
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Kid-A
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:55 am Reply with quoteBack to top

It's not something I'm planning to do but I was wondering.

If you set it so that people that sign up to your site have a disclaimer to verify that says the copyright information. Then remove the information for the members?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:58 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi, I thought I should add my two cents to this discussion. I know what I am wanting to do is unethical, but sorry to say that I am forced to remove all copyright notices from my PHPNuke based website. I know people have actually worked hard to create all those wonderful mods and codes, but I have also worked very hard on my site. I have modded some core sections of PHPNuke to suit my website's needs. But now my website is hacked. I would love it, if you read my full post, and then decide whether you wish to love me or hate me.

I had been a good boy and kept all the copyright notices intact on my site. But I do hope you realise how easy it is for stupid script kiddies to just google for "phpnuke based sites", find our sites on the list and then hack them! My site was irreparably hacked in this manner, and now I had to start all over, almost from scratch.

Now I have decided to remove ALL copyright notices, from each and every module/block/addon/footer. Instead I have thought of condensing them all into a single file - a kind of "copyrights module" with links to every person whose block/mod/hack/module/addon etc. my site uses. Then I can disallow robots from spidering that particular file using robots.txt or other methods (these other methods I am still to research out). I can link this copyrights module from the footer of my website, so that each and every page has the link. This way I not only give credit to those people, but I also save my own site from script kiddies.

BTW, if you're interested, I had Nuke Sentinel installed and despite that my website's each and every file and even the database were deleted! Sad Now can anyone blame me for my actions.

P.S.: My website is still not on the internet as of yet and it has been around 3 months of it being hacked. I am still working on it on my local server. If you want to leave an answer to me directly, please PM me. If you think that my method is wrong, then give me a better alternative.

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edogs
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:23 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Jib12 wrote:
I know what I am wanting to do is unethical, but sorry to say that I am forced to remove all copyright notices from my PHPNuke based website.

You told it yourself. It's unethical.
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I do hope you realise how easy it is for stupid script kiddies to just google for "phpnuke based sites", find our sites on the list and then hack them!

Any copyright can be LEGALLY removed if you ask the author for permission.
You prefer to make it UNLEGALLY.
Why you prefer unlegal way?
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If you think that my method is wrong, then give me a better alternative.

Of course it's wrong.
Let's guess that you took TV in shop, bring it at home, install it, put hard work to add receiver to it. So, will you think that you don't have to pay for TV if you make some hard work with it? Then why you think you can take script and delete copyrightst?
Oh, we remember, there are no security protection on script, it was open source, in favour to you from creators, in respect to you from creators... and that did you make? You deleted copyrights ... though it was only demand from authors for permission to use their script. As demand to pay for TV if you want to watch it.

So advices for honest peoples are easy.
1) If you want delete copyright - apply to author. Usually it cost a bit of money, but it's legal. Using the script without copyright are illegal.
2) Stop imagine next silly so called "arguments" for removing copyrights (hacking and etc). This is all fake. You use - you have to leave copyright. That's all folks.
2a) As short example for 2nd point... Click the link
http://www.altavista.com/web/results?itag=wrx&q=modules.php%3Fname%3DNews&kgs=0&kls=0
You'll find a LOT of php-nuke files without copyright notices. But we had found it in couple of clicks. There are a horde of other easy way to find such sites.

P.S.: Please, don't accept this post very personally, but we are really just tired from a lot of peoples who think GNU/GPL=FREE. It's not true. GNU/GPL=YOU PAY TO AUTHOR BY PLACING COPYRIGHTS ON YOUR SITE IN PLACE WHICH HE POINTED TO. If you don't pay - you are thief. If you want to be thief - it's your wish, it's your decision, it's your fate, it's you conscience.

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elr
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:51 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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give me a better alternative.


Well, if you really want to remove the copyright consider Postnuke. Postnuke does not require the copyright footer. Or, as edogs states, pay for the privilege.

Also, back up your database and site files regularily (esp if you are customising it a lot). That way, even if you are hacked, you can easily get back to where you were.
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gadji
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:58 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Admittedly, the honesty of Jib12 would probably work against him here, but legalities aside, lets take a look at the reasoning…

Firstly, the site was getting hacked constantly. Mainly because hackers know that the copyright has to be displayed at all times, it gives them masses of sites they can try their “Filthy” skills on.

Secondly, all he wanted to do was to move the copyrights notices to a file that search engine bots couldn’t get to, not delete them completely.

Although he did this without the original authors’ consent, I can’t really see the original author worrying too much about moving- a copyright, just so long as they were still getting the credit for their work, which in this case, they are.

This brings me to my next point, this actually seems to be a workable idea for the progression of Nuke, i.e. people get to have their sites to look exactly the way they want them, without the copyright notices making it look ungainly, but the original authors still get the credit that they so very deserve for all of their hard work by having a credits page.

I can see both sides of this argument, but if the rules state that you must leave copyright notices alone, I follow those rules.
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siege911
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:16 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Here's what I'm planning on doing on my site. Since there are so many people contributing to my site with both theme design and mods, I was planning on having a "Credits" thread in the "Welcome to my site" forum which is locked and at the top of the boards. I would remove all of the copyright stuff from the footer files and post them in the Credits area. Is that usually acceptable (or more importanlty, legal)? I might replace the footer information with a link to the Credits thread as well.

I don't want people's hard work to go without credit but due to the large number of people contributing to my site, it would be too much information to put in the footer area.
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gadji
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I think that the credits system is probably the best way to go. It makes some folk happy because they don't have copyright notices cluttering up their site, and the authors still get their dues.

Edogs should understand this as a suitable alternative, being a coder himself. His opinion on this would help resolve the issue as he seems to have been fairly eloquent about the issue so far.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:47 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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edogs
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:14 am Reply with quoteBack to top

gadji wrote:
I think that the credits system is probably the best way to go. It makes some folk happy because they don't have copyright notices cluttering up their site, and the authors still get their dues.

We would say very carefully. "Credits page are better than nothing." (c)
gadji wrote:
Edogs should understand this as a suitable alternative, being a coder himself. His opinion on this would help resolve the issue as he seems to have been fairly eloquent about the issue so far.

Basically, as the coders and site owners (with foreign scripts) we think it's the only one good way to go.
1) Check in license and conditions files that you can do with copyrights. Some scripts allow replacement to button in block, some scripts allow replacements to credit page.
2) Ask the author about conditions to remove copyrights, or to move them to new place.

We can't say that this is very hard job to drop e-mail to author and get his permission or listen for hist conditions. So basically, we wonder why peoples discuss that is legal or unlegal concerning one exact script, if they can mail author and get his opinion?

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