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eternity575
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 2:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I know a site that not only removes it from footers.php but also from meta.php.
removes all copyrights from blocks/modules and such.
what can I do with it?
i sent an email to gpu/gnl.. but no one replied.
is there anything else? it really bothers me as a crew member for a phpnuke development site.
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Daniel-cmw
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 2:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I know what I would do but its not necessary what you should do.

Firstly I would email the site in question and ask them why they removed the copyright and tell them to put them back.

If they dont reply or restore the copyright info then name and shame is the next option. Let everyone else know they remove such info.


I don't know the ins and outs of the GPL license but I thought since its opensource there are no specific rules as to what they shouldnt do as far as this goes. Its more of a moral thing.

Thats my opinion anyway.

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DaveTomneyUK
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yes I think removing copyright of something that someone as worked so hard in making is just so pathetic. Specially when they have not made the coding and they are trying to get full credit for it when its www.phpnuke.org & www.nukecops.com & there community thats done all the hard work.
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PuGZ
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:36 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Remember, there's a teeny chance they are club members and thus have paid to have the 'privellege' of removing copyright. Email FB, I'm sure he'd be interested in this Smile
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foxyfemfem
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:40 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hello,

I really get a big laugh from people policing another person website. Why should it bother anyone what the next person does on their website? If someone other than myself pay my domain fees, my hosting fees and my ISP fees they can police my website. If I'm the only one paying for what take place on my website why should anyone other than the FBI police my site? There's a saying that I like to quote "get a life" Laughing Stop focusing on what someone else does on their own domain. How do you know that person haven't paid FB the money to remove the copyright? Until you know the truth behind the reason let it go. Don't stress yourself over what someone else has done. (Removing all copyrights from my website too) Laughing

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SG-MALiCE
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I don't wish to remove the copyright, but I would like to add some info, where the heck is that file, and how do I edit it?
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PuGZ
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:52 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

SG-MALiCE wrote:
I don't wish to remove the copyright, but I would like to add some info, where the heck is that file, and how do I edit it?
Nuke Admin >> Preferences:

It should have Footer lines #1, #2 and #3!
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SG-MALiCE
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:54 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Excellent, I found it.

Thanks PuGZ.
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MGCJerry
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:23 am Reply with quoteBack to top

From what I understand about the GPL, you can remove the copyrights on the resulting HTML, but the credits must remain in the source code.

If I'm wrong, someone correct me.

I don't mind keeping the credits on my site. It helps me keep track of the items/mods/blocks/etc that I have installed as well it shows a little appreciation for the author's work...

Anyways, I've found a site that redistributes some code that I wrote, and they removed all copyrights from my code. No biggie, I just wont release my "new" versions of the code. If they don't appreciate my work, they wont appreciate updates. Wink

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SG-MALiCE
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:29 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I couldn't agree more.

If someone spends all that time creating something, the copyright information should stay.
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Mesum
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

FB has just announces on phpnuke.org that from the next version, he will have his personal life story and the history of how he started PHP-Nuke at the bottom of every page and YOU MUST NOT REMOVE THESE LINES IF YOU WANT TO USE THIS SOFTWARE.

The story about his life and history will be about 40 lines long, which is only 8 lines more than the current copyright line that PHP-Nuke comes with.

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PuGZ
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hehe. Admit it, who believed Mesum?

Very Happy
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Rainman
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Or be naughty like I was once and just tap yourself into their site and put the damn copyright back.




( He he........only kidding )

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edogs
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 2:52 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

MGCJerry wrote:
From what I understand about the GPL, you can remove the copyrights on the resulting HTML, but the credits must remain in the source code.

If I'm wrong, someone correct me.

You are wrong.
Read this (quote from gnu/gpl license):
Quote:

c) If the modified program normally reads commands interactively when run, you must cause it, when started running for such interactive use in the most ordinary way, to print or display an announcement including an appropriate copyright notice and a notice that there is no warranty (or else, saying that you provide a warranty) and that users may redistribute the program under these conditions, and telling the user how to view a copy of this License. (Exception: if the Program itself is interactive but does not normally print such an announcement, your work based on the Program is not required to print an announcement.)

The point here that as soon as php-nuke are INTERACTIVELY program, you MUST display ANNOUNCEMENT including APPROPRIATE copyright notice. In this case APPROPRIATE are defined by author.
So removing or even changing copyrights of php-nuke are ILLEGAL.

We know why such rumours appears. Rumours that you can delete visible copyrights if you left copyrights inside code.
It comes through scripts which didn't have output to display. Like pear-classes or something like this. And for such classes, of course, you don't have to ADD copyrights. But if script shows copyrights then you HAVE to show it.
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phikapjames
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I have to agree that I usually leave the copyright information on my pages. The exeptions to this is that I tend to remove version numbers from being displayed. This is more of a security issue as googling for those version numbers when someone knows a security vulnerability. That's how most hackers find the sites before the site owners have time to fix the hole.

edogs wrote:
MGCJerry wrote:
From what I understand about the GPL, you can remove the copyrights on the resulting HTML, but the credits must remain in the source code.

If I'm wrong, someone correct me.

You are wrong.
Read this (quote from gnu/gpl license):
Quote:

c) If the modified program normally reads commands interactively when run, you must cause it, when started running for such interactive use in the most ordinary way, to print or display an announcement including an appropriate copyright notice and a notice that there is no warranty (or else, saying that you provide a warranty) and that users may redistribute the program under these conditions, and telling the user how to view a copy of this License. (Exception: if the Program itself is interactive but does not normally print such an announcement, your work based on the Program is not required to print an announcement.)

The point here that as soon as php-nuke are INTERACTIVELY program, you MUST display ANNOUNCEMENT including APPROPRIATE copyright notice. In this case APPROPRIATE are defined by author.
So removing or even changing copyrights of php-nuke are ILLEGAL.

We know why such rumours appears. Rumours that you can delete visible copyrights if you left copyrights inside code.
It comes through scripts which didn't have output to display. Like pear-classes or something like this. And for such classes, of course, you don't have to ADD copyrights. But if script shows copyrights then you HAVE to show it.


The problem with that is that it can be interpreted in different ways. One way to view it is to comment it out at the html level so that it still appears in the html on the client computer. This is a bit of grey area because the client computer still receives the copyright information and if they view source, it is there. This is a weak grey area though.

Another grey area is the interpretation of "reads interactively when run". It can be viewed that the program is running all the time it is viewed in which case this would be legit. The problem arises when determining if the program is only run when it is compiled by the zend engine or the entire time you view it. In the case of it running when it is compiled by the zend engine it can be viewed as more of a command line program where the input is just command line arguments.
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